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Post by 81police on May 21, 2009 17:21:36 GMT -5
I thought i'd fill you guys in on a current project. I have undertook the task of making a very limited number of factory model 8 spanner wrenches (Remington part # 107) from an original provided by Bob Creamer. The original wrenches, which only a couple are known to exist today, were stamped and blued and can be found in Ch. 13 of Henwood's book. These reproductions began as a strip of 1050 spring steel. In the following pictures i'll give y'all a run down of the reverse engineering/duplication process following my good machinist friend Cecil. I am sorry guys, these will not be for sale as per agreement with the owner. Here we are using a hydraulic surface grinder to bring the spring steel down to the desired thickness. The original wrenches are .082", these reproductions are .087". We did this to help differentiate them from the originals and provide a little more rigidity.The next step was match the dimensions of the original wrench. This we did using an optical comparator, time, and lots of patience. Everything was drawn up in MasterCam.After tack welding the spring steel together, an EDM small hole drill was used to get started. The spanner wrench program was uploaded into the wire EDM, the brass threaded, and the cutting began.Here are the post cut wrenches. The next step is to form the ends of the bushing wrench and smooth out the tips of the barrel nut spanner. If nothing breaks I'll be back with an update...TO BE CONTINUED!Cam
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Post by tnrifleman on May 21, 2009 19:55:36 GMT -5
Cam,
That is quite a project. I'll be looking forward to the "rest of the story..."
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Post by 81police on May 27, 2009 14:47:52 GMT -5
We made some more progress last night. We have completed the spanner wrench end by rounding out the tips to the same dimensions as the original wrench. Tested each individually with an old barrel nut and they all fit perfect. More work coming soon.
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Post by whitetail trail on May 27, 2009 21:00:33 GMT -5
could not sell them even if marked not original or a nick cut out of it not to lower the value of the originals? thats like putting candy in front of a kid. they look great
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Post by hobie on May 29, 2009 15:52:43 GMT -5
could not sell them even if marked not original or a nick cut out of it not to lower the value of the originals? thats like putting candy in front of a kid. they look great Yeah, showing off that you've got yours, huh? I can't imagine why the owner of the original wouldn't want them out there. Guess I'll just have to get some stock and grind my own...
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Post by Sasha88 on May 30, 2009 17:46:29 GMT -5
No big thing I don't plan on taking mine apart ever again anyway.
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Post by canuck on Jun 1, 2009 22:40:09 GMT -5
Fantastic work 81! I wish I had that kind of tooling at my disposal, I had to make my take-down tools with a grinder,dremel and a whole lot of hand filing. Mine work OK, but should you ever decide to pass some of your repro wrenches off to fellow junkies, please keep me in mind.
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Post by mule on Jun 2, 2009 16:39:12 GMT -5
First there is only TWO know in existence , second Mr.Creamer didn't want them massed produced, and third thats it. So don't fuss at 81police because he is only doing this as favor for Mr.Creamer and I . Which is what he was asked to do.
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Post by hobie on Jun 2, 2009 17:45:28 GMT -5
First there is only TWO know in existence , second Mr.Creamer didn't want them massed produced, and third thats it. So don't fuss at 81police because he is only doing this as favor for Mr.Creamer and I . Which is what he was asked to do. Don't assume a negative context just because I didn't use smilies. Second, I really DON'T understand the why even if it isn't important to the owner of the two tools. I do imagine that the cost would be substantially above what they originally cost due to the fabrication method. There will never again be any potential for sales that would justify tooling up for the item. As I said, I suppose I have to get some stock, my jewelers saw, etc, and carve one out.
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Post by mule on Jun 2, 2009 22:36:26 GMT -5
Well I did intend to be rude I was taking up for a friend that it seemed you were attacking..... if you going to be rude thats fine we don't need you here, just because you have a blog about guns does not make you an expert on all things. And dang sure not a expert on all things Model 8 or 81. And the why is because we wanted to, and there is a demand for these atleast I know of close to a hunrded model 8,81 owners so you don't assume you know everything and good luck with your bar stock and saw and please don't vist my website we don't need people like you. besides your an expert it would do you no good.
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Post by 35rem on Jun 3, 2009 8:08:37 GMT -5
Hey Pack, settle down some, OK? I didn't take his post as attacking.
I asked a simialr question on the other board. I still think they could be modified (stamped or cut a hole in the wrench body, something. Chrome plated?) to differentiate them from originals. It would be nice to hav e a useful tool to work with these guns. I have no idea what cost would be, but if reasonable they could be sold. These aren't collector's items, but I suppose it could reduce the demand for one. But if there are only 2 in the world, I don't know.
It is a very cool project. Most folks don't have this kind of equipment at their disposal. Please keep us updated, either way. Mr. Creamer seems like a great guy. I met him through Ebay years ago. He out bid me on a Model 8 stripper clip then offered me one (of the many he has, I'm sure) of his. I was very greatful. He also encouraged me to join the RSA. I'd love to meet him one day.
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Post by 81police on Jun 3, 2009 11:42:04 GMT -5
Hey I don't want anybody getting upset over these things. As they are now, even if I had the OK, the cost of these wrenches would be out of sight, that's pretty obvious by the method of manufacture. Believe me guys, if I had the permission I'd make one for everybody!
If y'all want a spanner wrench that will double as a barrel bushing wrench for 8/81's and do everything these will do at a great price ($13), check these out...www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/PROD/winchoke-tubes/6130018We put in about 2 hours last night lining out the final steps of these wrenches. Instead of bending the bushing wrench ends 90 degrees (that would be too easy !) we matched the forming radius of the original bushing wrench ends, cut a forming die block to match that radius, and now are nearly ready to form the ends. Each wrench will be pinned to the block then formed and after that they'll go back to the EDM machine for some final cutting. On the home stretch!
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Post by 81police on Jun 5, 2009 11:23:25 GMT -5
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Post by hobie on Jul 18, 2009 13:21:35 GMT -5
That is a really neat project. Neat tools, too. Just a little envious of the tools!
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Post by 81police on Sept 11, 2009 13:49:42 GMT -5
I got the wrenches back from Mid-South Metallurgical today, they have been heat treated to Rockwell 43 like good tool steel. They're a little discolored but no heavy scaling, should clean up nicely!
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