Hi all. New here, my names mike. I recently inherited a camp 50 from grand father. I've spent a lot of time trying to dig up info on this gun and its history. This forum seems to have some very good info and knowledgeable people. So that's why I joined. I'll put some pictures up when I have some time, hopefully in the next day or so. I do have a few things that I haven't seen before regarding ammunition. I have 50-60 pieces of brass, primers and a reloading kit. My dad said my grandfather also has a mold for casting bullets and a book of all his reloading info. We have yet to find the book or the mold. Thanks.
Post by Hardrada55 on Nov 25, 2015 16:47:32 GMT -5
Wonderful! I would love to see pictures of your reloading brass and maybe a loaded round, and....of course...pictures of the Camp .50.
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Wonderful, It sounds like you will be able to answer of the biggest mysteries of Standard Arms. We all would like to see pictures of the gun but most importantly the brass and/or any loaded cartridges. Are all of the cartridges head stamped the same? What is the head stamp? Can you measure the case? Is it rimless or does it have a rim? Did you get the take-down tool? If so does it look like a bullet or is it made out of flat stock? I would be interested in adding the serial number of your gun to my list. The company manufactured 25 "Camp Guns" and I believe that a company in Texas put together two from parts. I have recorded 12 "Camp Guns" and two hundred and fifty four rifles. I am going to have time this winter and hope to be able to publish at least an article dispelling some of the myths surrounding these guns? The holy grail of Standards is the model H, most were rebuilt into the model S, but the key component of any Standard collection is the "Camp Gun" you truly have gem.
Sorry for the delay in pictures, its been a busy few weeks.I hope the link works. If it doesn't let me know. The bullet shaped "tool?" looks broken to me, the knurled/threaded end doesn't look right. . Not sure if you can tell from the picture. The measurements of the case are the min/max of the 20 best looking pieces of brass I have. All the brass has the same head stamp. I can take more pictures or get you measurements of what I have if you would like. I'm still looking for the cast for the bullets.
I did not see anything in your pictures that would look like a combo tool or even part of one. What looks like tools all seem to be related to the reloading tool. Are there any markings on an of the tools? You have a wonderful collection. I will searching the market to find examples of these cases. The gun looks to be in very nice condition. Most of us collectors have been trying to figure out what shell this gun took. You have given us the answer. I hope to write an article if not a book on Standard Arms this winter. I would like to give you credit for giving us the answer. Also I hope you would supply me with the serial number of your gun so that I can list it in my list of survivors which will be part of anything I publish. The barrel address on your gun what is it?
There are no markings on the reloading tools. I need to make some wooden slugs to really cycled the shells. But they fit in the magazine, they chamber and they eject with authority. I though I pm'd you the serial number, if you don't have it let me know.
Thank You, your information is in-valuable. If you ever decide to sell any of the shells let me know, I would be interested in even the bad cases. I have not received the serial number, you could try my private email: StandardArmsCo@gmail.com Ed
That's neat. I've been a Standard fan for forty years and have had a few, but no Camp 50's. I saw ( and saved ) an ad from Gunlist or Shotgun News from the late '80s, offering a camp 50 for $1,300. Too pricey for me at the time. The gun came with a box and a half of shells - 32 gauge - and I figured that's what the chamber was. It would be interesting to see if a 32 gauge shotshell would chamber ( and fire) in your gun. This may serve to compound the confusion, though.
Thank you, We are getting closer. From the dimension I have found on the internet all three are candidates. The only difference is in case length. I am going to take a casting of my gun and we should know for sure. They may all be interchangeable but with the relationship Standard had with UMC, I think the designed cartridge will be the 50 EX.
Here's something for everyone to look for. I have all the indices for Outdoor Life magazine 1908-1920. In the December 1910 issue is a review of the Standard 50, and while I have my doubts, there may be some verifiable ID of the gun's ammunition. If someone can locate a file of early issues you might take a look and let us know.
I have everything to do a barrel casting of my barrel. In the mean time I have obtained some 32 gauge 2 1/2 inch shells, they do not cycle in my gun, they are two long, I am looking for references to see if they made 2 or 2 1/4 inch. I will try to find the above referenced article.
Also what is the barrel stamping on your gun Standard Arms Co. or Standard Arms Manufacturing Co.?
You might look in Cartridges of the World for 32 gauge information, or post on International Ammunition Collectors forum. Google might even be able to tell you if it was made in more than the 2 1/2 inch length. If you are referring to my Standard Model M ( I don't have it here) but believe it is a Standard Arms Co. gun Three digit SN starting with a 7.
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