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Post by Hardrada55 on May 26, 2011 16:31:45 GMT -5
I have a question, that has something of a speculative nature. Considering the limitations of the action of the Remington 8 and 81, for what other cartridges COULD and SHOULD the Remington 8 and 81 been chambered for? It appears the limit for the power of the cartridge used was reached with the .300 Savage. This is about 2300 ft/lbs. So I would limit speculation to those cartridges of that power and below. Also to be taken into account is the length of the action. It appears that the longest cartridge case our action can handle is about 2 inches or 52mm long.
So what other cartridges could and should the Remington 8 and 81 have been chambered for? Could it have been modified to handle rimmed cartridges, like say the .30-30 WCF or .303 Savage? How about .250 Savage? And my favorite speculation, I know it borders on sacrilege....how about a Remington 8 in .401 WSL?
Anyone have any other ideas? Any military type cartridges?
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hobie
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Post by hobie on Jun 3, 2011 15:56:06 GMT -5
You should limit your choices to cartridges of about the same length overall and which produce about the same max pressures of about 45K PSI. The gun was designed for the cartridges it used. Those cartridges were the money maker at the time, they were "better" in a semi-auto than any other available and so they are the cartridges for which the rifle can be chambered and were the cartridges for which it should have been chambered.
Now that's a buzz kill I'm sure. Sorry, but that is how it is.
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Post by Hardrada55 on Jun 3, 2011 16:48:53 GMT -5
Reality has a way of killing all kinds of interesting speculation. Hobie, you, of course, are absolutely correct. But it's still kinda fun to think about a Model 8 chambered for weird stuff....like 6.5 Japanese.
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crank
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Post by crank on Jun 3, 2011 19:51:43 GMT -5
Being anti-establishment: Why not try 7.62x39? It fills the bill for remaining within pressure limitations, almost all the ammo is loaded with the same weight bullet (kinda helpful for recoil operated), there are now several single column magazines which could work similar to a modern "Special Police", barrels could be fabricated from the barrel extension with an SKS barrel, cheap plentiful ammo etc... Or how about a .45 Win Mag, by comparison your 6.5 Japanese is not that screwy, considering the era (.25 Rem hint, hint). The key is to keep the dwell time adequate for pressure to diminish before the unlocking stoke completes. Recoil operated is both easier and harder depending on perspective and application, since the primary concern is adequate locking strength. Without adequate locking, trying to balance the velocity of the recoil stroke is a moot point. Basically, if it blows up in battery, it might be a bad sign, and toying with spring rates and static mass probably are the last thing you will have to worry about (literally). The cartridges I mentioned are two that quickly come to mind that are within the known limits of the Browning design and should produce no ill effects due to excessive breech thrust (not the same as operating pressure). I'll throw this out, point me in the direction of a dirt cheap, basket case, 8 or 81 and I'll give it a whirl in 7.62x39, since that seems the most sacrilegious. Never stop dreaming, since messing with peoples minds is very satisfying when you pull it off. I still need a donor 1905 Winchester to do something even more difficult, since that is a blow-back and the balance on those are even less forgiving. Keep them confused!
Mark
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hobie
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Post by hobie on Jun 4, 2011 12:12:42 GMT -5
Well, there's a thought. I don't really feel like donating my gun to effort though.
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Post by johnl on Jun 5, 2011 11:44:05 GMT -5
I used to see beater model 8s all the time around here a few years ago but not anymore. Interesting idea, though, so I'll keep and eye out.
What are you doing with a 1905 Winnie?
John
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