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Post by boltman on Aug 5, 2011 8:58:32 GMT -5
I will pm you some information. On the swivels, clearly the dovetail cut indicates this rifle was shipped from the factory set up for swivels. Do any of your rifles have this same swivel attachement arrangement for the front swivel?
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Post by boltman on Aug 6, 2011 18:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by boltman on Aug 7, 2011 22:40:27 GMT -5
I am hearing January, 1910 when the first ad came out for the CAMP .50. As far as the cartridge, I had two sources today suggest it was chambered in the .50/95. I dug up a .50/95 wooden head shot cartridge I had and it worked in all respects. It fed through the magazine, chambered, bolt closed fully ejected and fit through the top of the receiver. After thinking, "ok, I've nailed it down" someone else suggested it might be a .50/100 or .50/110. I had some .50/110 loaded cartridges laying around. They were too long for the magazine but we also know there is a version of the shot version of these cartridges that has a card on the end sealing the end of the case and a slight bottleneck to them. Hence, the OAL of the loaded cartridge is no longer than the OAL of an empty case. These would fit in the magazine. Then, I dropped to fully loaded .50/110 round into the chamber and the entire cartridge slid and the bolt closed on it. The ejector wouldn't pull it out, but that's not because it stuck. This really has me perplexed. I don't have a Winchester M1876 in .50/95 laying around here but if I did, I'd sure bet that a .50/110 cartridge would not drop all the way into the chamber and the bolt close on it. I'll show some pictures - first with the .50/95 shot cartridge and then with the .50/110 cartridge. First - the .50/110 cartridge: Now, the .50/95 with wooden shot head:
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Post by boltman on Aug 8, 2011 12:40:52 GMT -5
I am still perplexed why, if it is a .50/95, a .50-110 cartridge will chamber. It may well have everything to do with the gun being a smoothbore. There is no rifling for a bullet to contact. A contact I made yesterday kindly provided the following information and picture of two .50/95 cartridges. His comments on the very rare shot version (non protruding wooden head) that has an OAL as long a bulleted version is very intriquing. My, but would I love to have a couple full boxes of those Here are his comments and the photo he sent: The one on the right is a more common 50-95 (50 Winchester Express) with a flat nose lead bullet as made by Winchester. The one on the right is a shot load made by U.M.C.CO but on a standard lenght case. The extended case version would look like the one on the left but with a slight neck in the area where the bullet protrudes from the bulleted round. It would have a case as long as the overall length of the bulleted round.
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Post by boltman on Aug 8, 2011 19:13:01 GMT -5
I am very intrigued over the possibility a .50/100 or .50/110 shot cartridge is the proper cartridge for this rifle. Another really intriguing cartridge is the one mentioned by the fellow who provided the photo of the .50/95 shot cartridge next to the .50/95 standard cartridge. He mentions there is a rarer .50/95 shot cartridge out there - one that has a case as long as the standard bulleted .50/95 cartridge (the shot is inside the case vs. in a wooden head). What is interesting here is that such a cartridge would be nearly as long as a .50/110 case. So, it would be pretty darn close to a standard .50/110 shot cartridge that used a standard case and kept the shot inside (like the pictured .50/95 shotshell he shows in the picture on the left). This might even mean that the rifle could use any .50/95 shot cartridge AND .50/110 shot cartridge (of the internal shot type).
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Post by fire15vp on Jul 3, 2012 10:20:10 GMT -5
Were you ever able to get dimensions of the chamber?
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Post by kubota on Feb 15, 2013 22:52:36 GMT -5
I seen that Gun.That is the one bought near Syracuse?If so its beautiful.Great BUY!
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Post by kubota on Feb 15, 2013 22:56:55 GMT -5
I seen that Gun.That is the one bought near Syracuse?If so its beautiful.Great BUY!
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Post by fire15vp on Mar 22, 2013 15:30:28 GMT -5
After rereading all of the articles on this gun, it is my impression that the camp gun was a last ditch effort to keep the company afloat. All of thier other guns are rimless cartridges. I am not sure that they would redesign the bolt face and extractor if they were trying keep expenses down and stay in business. Just a thought a 50/100 seems to be the best candidate at the moment.
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