ghp45
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Post by ghp45 on Aug 13, 2010 17:42:33 GMT -5
I have read on several boards that the remaining uncompleted Standard Arms rifles were acquired by Numrich and either assembled or sold by them. It is true that they still have parts for the Standard Arms rifles, however, Numrich was not formed until 1950. Standard went out of business circa 1915, production ceased in 1914. There is an ad in a November, 1915, publication offering the last Standard Arms rifles at "Less Than Manuf'r's Cost." So, the question is: Is the Numrich claim simply urban legend that has been repeated so often that it is "gospel" or is it true? The fact that Numrich has parts is not determinative. They have many parts and do not assemble rifles. The ad mentioned above also indicates that they the rifle "have serial numbers below 10,000." One might read this as implying that the serial numbers on the rifles available are approaching 10,000 but not yet above. The general concesus in cyberspace is that Standard produced approximately 5000 rifles and Numrich assembled another 2000. There are reported rifles in the three digit range up to the high 8000s. Some manufactures used higher blocks of serial numbers in the early stages to suggest greater sales. Could this be the Standard Arms MO? Does anyone have some credible information on this issue?
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Post by fire15vp on Jan 25, 2011 10:26:02 GMT -5
I Have attached a picture of my collection, I currently have 22 standards. The highest number I have is 8576 but I have recorded 9211 as an existing gun. As to whether Numrich ever assembled a gun in later years is a good question. My understanding of the story is that the parts were sold and someone assembled and sold them. If you have an ad for them for sale after 1913 I would be interested in obtaining a copy. The factory records indicate that when ever they made a design change they changed serial number groupings. The factory records indicate that they built 3740 guns. These guns have three spots were a serial number was marked, two on the inside of the receiver and one on the tang. Most of my guns have all matching numbers, however a few do not, I would suspect that these are assembled guns. About 20 years ago there was a gun smith in Texas that had a very large inventory of parts. Where the excess inventory has been for all of these years is a trail that I am also trying to follow. Every little bit helps Attachments:
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Post by keninwood on Feb 6, 2011 18:40:12 GMT -5
Good to see someone is still adding info to the standard arms forum. I am still looking for a rear sight ramp and sight as mine is an odd 1, if any1 may have a spare.
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Post by standardarms on Mar 15, 2011 21:40:23 GMT -5
Hello: I have an ad from c1916 that is a sel out type ofer, les than mfr'rs cost etc. Also states no rifles with serial number above 10,000. After Baltimore we can get together as we had mentioned before. Take care GJF. Oh yes, are you going to Baltimore?
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Post by standardarms on Mar 15, 2011 21:45:57 GMT -5
As to the actual production numbers. I have acess to some of the details from sales reports. Stil when al is said the records are incomplete at best. I believe that serial number blocks were little used or skipped entirely so that rifles returned could be rebuilt and sent out again and to know when one came back what state of the continuing "improvements" had been done. I am still researching this. GJF
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Post by fire15vp on Mar 16, 2011 9:29:26 GMT -5
GJF, Yes I will be in Baltimore and look forward to sitting down with you. Do you have a table number yet? Ed K
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Post by danny on Mar 30, 2011 20:01:32 GMT -5
i have a set of standerd arms rifles one gas one pump they are a match set with brass butt plates and slides,engraveing are wild animals, want to sell in excellent condition and working order,beenin family sents 1959 ,does any one know what they are worth?
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Post by bullet69 on Apr 13, 2011 16:18:07 GMT -5
I am interested in adding a couple more Standard Arms rifles to my collection. Contact me a corey@bestcpas.com if you have a couple to sell.
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duane
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Post by duane on Jun 24, 2011 19:38:24 GMT -5
I am a new poster and collect Standard Arms rifles. I have 10. I also have many extra parts. I have yet to purchase (or even see a camp gun) Would like to discuss these guns anytime. Highest # I have is 9196. Thanks
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Post by Hardrada55 on Jun 24, 2011 21:10:37 GMT -5
Hello Duane, Nice to have you posting and reading our forum. Hope you get alot out of the time you spend here. I think Standard Arms rifles are particularly fascinating. I have one, a Model G, I purchased years ago. Seems that it was put back together with the assistance of a hammer. Therefore, the action is stuck open and I can not break it down into two parts, as you should be able to do. Otherwise...Do they all have such nice wood? I read somewhere about a saddle ring version, have you ever heard of such a thing? Anyway, there is quite a book still to be written about the Standard Arms Company and their ground breaking rifles. Regards, Walt
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Post by fire15vp on Jun 27, 2011 16:30:10 GMT -5
Duane nice collection. If you look in the older posts you will find a responce from me showing my current collection of 22. I have examined two camp guns and had an individual sell one out from under me they are very rare counting assembled guns I am figuring less than 30 total production. i am building a list of surviving guns by model and serial number. i would like to add yours to this list. Also it is very interesting that you have lower reciever 9196 as I have upper reciever 9196. I have recorded serial number 9214. Alegedly they skipped batches of serial numbers everytime that they made a design change. I am operating under the theory that guns that are miss numbered where assembled after Standard went out of business. nice to hear from a fellow collector. Ed
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duane
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Post by duane on Jun 28, 2011 21:19:34 GMT -5
Hi Ed, What are the odds of us having different parts of the same gun. I have noticed several serial numbers with the prefix RB. Does anyone know what this stands for ? Other than an article in the mid 80's in the Gun Digest has there been any other reference material written ? Anyone having an "extra" tool to change the gas valve I'm all ears. Thanks to all. Duane
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duane
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Post by duane on Jun 28, 2011 21:26:35 GMT -5
Hi Walt. Never heard of a Standard with a saddle ring. The only way to free the action is to break (not in the literal sense) the gun in half. I have noticed, from my brief viewing, that most Standard Arms have a nice looking stock. And I believe, please correct me if I am wrong, the brass on the rifle was initially painted all black. Continued handling of the rifle wore the black finish off and revealed the brass. Regards, Duane
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Post by fire15vp on Jun 30, 2011 12:03:03 GMT -5
Gentlemen, I have never seen a saddle ring model either, and I would be very suspect as the walls are very thin. You would have to penetrate the upper and lower recievers in order to get enough threads. I have recorded 2 guns with an RB prefix
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Post by fire15vp on Jun 30, 2011 12:15:01 GMT -5
Gentlemen, I have never heard of a saddle ring model and i would be very suspect as the walls are very thin and you would have to penetrate the upper and lower recievers to get enough threads. I have recorded two guns with an RB prefix and three with a B prefix none of which match the numerals in style, size or even bieng on the same plane. I believe these guns came from a collection or some sort of arsenal. The slide and butt stock were japaned black at the factory and many people removed it when they scratched it and saw the brass. There have been numeous short articles published over the years, one in the delaware state sportsmens association quarterly as recently as last quarter. Most are written based on reading someone elses and the errors keep componding. Someday i hope to publish something to help clear the myths, when i do it will have a list of all serial numbers that i have recorded by model and calibre. The last combo tool i saw sold was from a cartridge collector and it sold for 300.00.
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