johnl
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Post by johnl on May 24, 2009 14:00:37 GMT -5
This is an interesting topic as the guns used by the posse seem to be open for some interpretation. Do members of the forum feel that the three Winchesters Hammer said were used by the posse were all 1894s? Also, why, if Hammer said three Winchesters were used would Zanoya have three of the posse be using Rem 8s and only one Winchester?
I know the Winchester 351s were really popular with lawmen and bad guys of the day - Mike Cox's historic photo book on Texas lawmen show at least 6 photos in the later chapters with lawmen and their 351WSLs - there are also 1894s, Thompsons, 03s, and still quite a few 1895s in use up to WWII.
Maybe we'll never know the real, real, truth?
John
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Post by zanoya on May 25, 2009 16:34:24 GMT -5
The interview with Hamer is puzzling, his mention of Winchesters is vague and is contradicted by other sources which are very specific about the guns used that day. There is documentation of at least two Remington model 8s, including serial numbers. Both of these guns can be accounted for today--one is at the Texas Ranger museum in Waco, the other is owned by a private collector. Frank Hamer, Jr verified that the Remington at the museum, with the extended magazine was used. I did ASSUME that Dallas Deputy Bob Alcorn used a Model 8, because that is what he used in recreating the shooting for a documentary made shortly afterward. I expected that he used the same gun he had at the ambush. The Winchester 1907 was a popular rifle in that day. Baby Face Nelson killed two Federal Agents with one in his final shootout (after his Thompson had jammed). Legendary G-man Walter Walsh also took out a BAR armed gangster with a 1907. Walsh's comment was "He shot high--I didn't".
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Post by oldshooter on Jun 3, 2009 14:32:14 GMT -5
The Hamer/ Webb interview is puzzling to me, too. I have great respect and admiration for Professor Webb, but most Texas historians now consider him to have been overly credulous in his interviews with Rangers. He uncritically repeats Hamer's account of a "post office" in the Louisiana woods visited by B&C, making no mention of Ivy's old truck jacked up by the side of the road, which really stopped the fated couple.
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Post by johnl on Jun 4, 2009 21:13:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know the thickness of the metal in the body of a 1934 Ford V8. I find it fascinating that 45 acp bullets bounced off the body of these cars. Thanks!
John
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Post by Hardrada55 on Jun 5, 2009 7:16:27 GMT -5
The thing I read...and please forgive me, but this is from my faulty memory... was that Ted Hinton and Texas Rangers ambushed Bonnie and Clyde somewhere around Grapevine Texas. And that they were armed with Thompson Submachine Guns. I think I read that about 1/2 the bullets fired as B & C drove by didn't penetrate the car body. They did manage to hole the radiator, which lead to B&C abandoning the car later and so it was recovered by the police.
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Post by wiley on Jan 15, 2018 20:29:23 GMT -5
FYI---Prentis Oakley fired the first shot that passed through Clyde's head and penetrated Bonnie around her collar bone severing her spine. Bonnie screamed but was paralyzed (pack of cigarettes remained on her lap with a partial eaten sandwich) and Clyde's foot slipped off the clutch. When the Ford lurched forward, the posse opened up.
B&C were set up by their running pal Henry Methvin and his father Ivey.
It is my understanding that a Colt Monitor was shipped prior to the ambush to Frank Hamer.
For more details, see Bonnie and Clyde Hideout.com
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