Just picked up a nice condition Model 1905 in 35 WSL. Needed a buttplate... which I found on Ebay. Now, I'm going through the hair-pulling search for a 35 WSL magazine. Otherwise the rest of the gun is complete and looks great. I even found some ammo at Buffalo Cartridge. Serial number says the gun was made in 1906.
If anyone can point me in the right direction to find a '05 35 WSL magazine...please do so. I've been looking at all the typical sources...eBay, Gunbroker, Numrich, Sarco, Brownell's, Bob's Guns, and Triple K. No luck so far. Almost tempted to try to buy a really nasty parts gun, if it had the right magazine.
Post by blackbahart on Nov 26, 2017 22:45:11 GMT -5
the 35 wsl will work in a regular 351 wsl mag with no issues that I am aware of .I have put the repo type mags into a few and they worked as they should in the 35wsl .The 35 has a spacer in the front of the mag for the shorter cartridge ,but still seem to work fine with the repo 351wsl mag cheers Peter
Thanks much for the info, Peter. I was hoping that would be the case. I have ordered a 10 round 351WSL mag from Triple K and will give it a try in my 1905. At $52 the price isn't unreasonable and is worth a try. I'll post my findings after I get a chance to see how it functions. Tied up with deer and waterfowl hunting right now.
TripleK has the .351wsl 10 round mags on back order. Nevertheless I found one on ebay and went to the range this morning. The 10 round .351wsl magazine fit perfectly in my Model 1905 .35wsl and also worked flawlessly. I was using .35wsl rounds from Buffalo Arms. Fired a couple of single rounds just to see if there were any problems. Having none, I fired off a quick 3 round burst with no problems. Would have loved to fire off a whole lot more, but the ammo costs are prohibitive for that kind of fun. Too bad. Also, found an original 5 round .35cal mag on ebay. Costly...but now I have a complete Model 1905 in .35wsl. Serial number is below 7000 and appears to have been made in 1906. It's a neat, old piece of firearms history. Too bad it couldn't recount the story of where it's been all these years.
I use .38 Special brass and dies for my .35 WSL. I reduce the diameter of the case rim with a drill press and file - I don't cut an extractor groove in the case and it works fine. If you want more info, let me know (bullets, powder, neck sizing, etc).
I bought some ammo online for my .351 and for the heck of it, I pulled the bullets from a few cases and measured the powder (unknown powder). The amount varied from 17 grs to 21 grs - way too much of a difference to put in an old rifle.
for the 35wsl I started to use the starline 9mm win mag brass a few years ago ,just run it into the die to get rid of the 9mm taper above the extractor grove and load away .They work great and way less case work and not really sad when I loose a few .I was even tempted to to get the 9mm win reamer and touch up the chamber to accept the brass ,but never got around to it and so its still stock Peter
What dies do you use? I bought two sets of .351 dies a few years ago - one was a "special order" Lee die set on ebay, the other was a set by Redding. Neither die set would work with the 38/357 brass I was using and I couldn't find any .351 brass, so I returned the dies and just started using the .38 SP (.35 WSL) and .357 mag brass (.351 WSL). Reducing the rims takes a minute or so per case, and they eject without the extractor groove. The only problem is neck tension - I use a .223 die to size the neck.
9mm mag brass - interesting. Where did you get the brass?
I use a lee 38/357 factory crimp die to crimp the 35 and 351 ammo and no problem with the bullets turning or loose .My dies are the ch4d and without the lee die I had poor neck tension
I experimented with a set of lee 9mm luger and they make excellent ammo also
the 9mm win mag I sourced from starline and run them through the crimp die first as the carbide collar skins off the taper on the brass .Just loosen the nut on top as not to crimp the brass when sizing the base Peter
I see that ch4d still has the .35wsl dies for sale for around $104. It sounds like you are using them. Have you had any problems with them, other than described? I assume a case forming die did not come with the set. Correct?
Post by blackbahart on Dec 8, 2017 13:16:44 GMT -5
thats correct no case forming die .If you have 9mm dies availiable they do make good ammo .The reason I have the ch4d dies is I was unaware at the time that 38/357 and 9mm dies would work .Just recommend getting the lee factory crimp die to finish your ammo Peter
I have 80 rounds of 35 wsl that I purchased from Buffalo Arms and 100 rounds of 35 wsl that I purchased from Colorado Custom Cartridge, which were formed from 357 magnum cases. I'm thinking about buying a 35 wsl set of dies from Ch4d. I expect that they would work to reload the 80 35 wsl cases (looks like Starline brass) from Buffalo Arms...but any opinion on if they should work for the 100 cases made from forged 357 rounds. I do not have dies in 357 mag or 9mm win mag. I'd prefer to have just 1 set of dies that would the job. Thoughts? Thanks.
As I posted before, the variation in the amount of powder that I found when I pulled the bullets from ammo that I bought online was way too much for me, and for an old rifle. Never mind the amount, do you know what brand/type of powder is in those loaded rounds? I'd be careful.
No, I haven't pulled any bullets. I did fire 5 from each supplier. The ones from Buffalo Arms worked flawlessly. The ones from Colorado Custom Cartridge had some extraction problems, when 3 out of 5 stuck slightly in the chamber. Chamber could have been a little dirty, so when I cleaned the bore after firing, I swiped a brass brush in the chamber area a few times. Haven't been to the range since, so I'm not sure if that will do the trick. The CCC cartridges were "rotary swaged" from 357 cases. Compared to BA cases, they seem less smooth on the outside where the bullet sits in the case...and that is where the cases seem to be sticking. I'm thinking that if I had 1 set of dies that would size both types of cases, I'd be all set.
Extraction problems could mean that there's too little powder in those cases for your rifle and its spring. I found that the case mouths on cases made from 357 Max brass got dented during ejection, or were too long for proper ejections. I ended up cutting them down for the .35 WSL. That all changed when I started making my own from shorter 357 Mag brass (with no extraction groove).
Pulling those bullets and measuring the amount of powder changed the shooting of old, vintage rifles and handguns for me. I just don't trust other people's reloads. Heck, I barely trust my own reloads. Once I got into reloading, I realized that the slightest distraction or wrong measurement (powder charge, wrong powder, depth of bullet seating, etc) can lead to some serious problems.
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