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Post by ageingstudent on Mar 11, 2017 0:10:55 GMT -5
Well, loaded up 21 .351 cartridges this morning.10 using 18 grains of IMR 4227 and 11 using 19 grains of IMR 4227.Now just have to get good weather and a chance to go to the range and see how they do. By the way Chris, I did notice the Winchester Small Rifle Primers did go very easy into the .351 Jamison brass.Too easy ,for a first load on new brass in my opinion.Just wondering how your loads have worked out using the larger primers? Nova Scotia,Canada I've been using CCI or S&B small rifle primers. Usually the S&B seats tighter. Worth a try if you can find some.
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 11, 2017 8:19:04 GMT -5
Thanks for that.A couple of gun shows coming up in April, that I hope to get to.Perhaps I can find some there.
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Post by bollweevil on Mar 11, 2017 13:12:10 GMT -5
The CCI BR4 primers have worked much better for me than the Federal Small Rifle and Remington Small Rifle. I have several other small rifle primers that I use for .223 and 6.5 Grendel but they are all small rifle magnum. No more volume than I will shoot, several hundred of the CCI's will last me a while even though they are a bit pricey in the BR4 version.
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 11, 2017 16:28:34 GMT -5
Thanks for that ccraft.Hope to find some at the two gun shows coming up in April.
Some snow over night.-12 C today, with a strong wind making it seem much colder.Snow squalls on and off all day.Slight amounts of snow due tonight and tomorrow.Nor'easter suppose to hit sometime next week,bringing 15 to 20 CM of snow with it.Lucky us.LOL
Been doing some hand loading today ,as there is much one can do outside.Just have 20 more .30 WCF to get bullets in and I will have everything loaded up.Then just have to get to the range to burn some powder,so I will have something to load again.LOL
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Post by bollweevil on Mar 11, 2017 18:19:02 GMT -5
Let me know how those shoot with the 4227 charges. I settled in at 17 which is really light compared to factory WW, but close to the Jameson factory loads. I have not tried any of the options, but there are a few ways to keep primers tighter. Since I was working on loads, I really wanted a good picture of how the case was holding up, so I didn't want to alter anything. We are actually supposed to have snow flurries here tonight. A few inches fell just above us about 60 miles in Tennessee today. Take care and stay warm!!
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 11, 2017 19:23:43 GMT -5
Will do with the 4227 loads.
Probably should have loaded a few cartridges with 17 grains as well to try,but did not.What groups are you getting with the 17 grain loads?What distance do you shoot?I will be shooting at between 50 and 65 yards.
Saw a video on You Tube of a fellow shooting 17 grains out of his Model 07 and it worked well.He had tried 14 grains before ,but said it did not work quite right.Probably too weak to work the action all the time. Was talking to a fellow, who is getting really good groups with 19 grains IMR 4227 out of his Model 07.
Makes sense you not wanting to do any thing to the primers,so as to be able to see how the Jamison brass held up.
What are some of the other options for keeping the primers tight?
Snowing again now with strong winds.It is the wind that is the worst.It is about -12C,but the wind makes it seem like -22 C.The wind also drives the cold into every little place in the house that is not tight.
Not good here,but it is a lot better than in Churchill Man.They just got over a blizzard that lasted for 57 hours and dropped 60 CM of snow.
Sounds like the snow is getting close to you folks.
Nova Scotia,Canada
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Post by bollweevil on Mar 12, 2017 16:30:52 GMT -5
I will likely try 17.5 and 18.0 when I feel good about reading my brass. Those 1980's Winchesters were steaming at well over 1900 FPS and one close to 2000, and they held up well, but that really feels like too much in an 75+ year old blow back self loader. My 17.0 load does about 1600 and at 50 yards, about 1"-1.5". They were actually about 1" high, but dead center. The Winchesters were about 4 1/2" high, and not as tight. Jameson's were right with mine, very tight, and maybe 1". I have heard of others using loctite, or primer sealant to help with loose pockets, but never done this. There is a video online of a guy using a ball bearing mounted in a vise, upon which he strikes his primer pockets to curl the outer edge in. I'm sure that it would work well, just as long as you knew they were loose to start with, and not trying to remedy a brass flow issue. He is using brass that I would have thrown away, and would consider the case expended. You will see when you find it. It is a large caliber for a bolt gun, maybe 338 Lapua. BTW, we got about 1" of snow last night. It was gone before church time. It's 55 F now and sunny. My two sons have gone shooting for the day. I'm watching NASCAR. Good evening
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 12, 2017 17:30:23 GMT -5
I believe your logic is sound ccraft, about being cautious in an older rifle like the Model 07 with the blow back system.Thinking I will load up a few 17 grain 351 cartridges with IMR 4227 to try.If they look good at 50 yards,I may stick with them.Most likely easier on the rifle.Nothing wrong with 1 to 1.5 inches at 50 yards in my opinion. Thanks for the tips on the primers. -18 C (about 0 F) here this morning,but the wind had dropped.Later in the day the temperature came up to -10 C,but the wind came up with it as well. So you had a little snow (1 inch is 2 1/2 CM).Kind of different for you folks I would think. Enjoy your NSCAR.I had a friend who was a big fan and used to get his wife to tape the races while he was at sea,so he could watch them when he got in.I remember going in the past to Mascar(Maritime Association Stock Car)races just outside of Halifax. I have another friend who goes down to the States every so often to take in car races. Hockey fan myself.Watched my team (Chicago Blackhawks)play the Wild this afternoon on television.They won,but had a lot of luck and good goal tending ,as they were out shot 44 to 22.
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 22, 2017 6:49:39 GMT -5
Well finally got the Winchester to the range yesterday.Had three loads of IMR 4227 with 17,18 and 19 grains loaded up.All loads worked well, with no failures to eject.Rifle was fun to shoot.Because of the blow back system used on the rifle, it had a different feel than any other self loading rifle I have fired.
Accuracy at 50 yards was good for hunting,but were not clover leafs.:)The AR 15 shell catcher worked well and saved having to look for fired casings.
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Post by bollweevil on Mar 22, 2017 14:17:07 GMT -5
I am glad to hear that all went well. My first trip shooting the '07 I did not get near as good of groups as I did second time. New rifle, new loads, and as you say, the feel of the bolt/recoil system was a little strange. Next time went better. I hope yours does as well. It is an interesting caliber to load for. I learned a lot while I have been playing with it. Could you tell much about your groups vs. powder charge? what about impact of the bullet High vs. low? I haven't went over 17 with 4227, but I do believe it is the powder to use. Haven't thought of trying shell catcher on mine. Great Idea.
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 22, 2017 20:39:48 GMT -5
Yes all went very well.Did put two shots in the red centre.All shots were within a 12 inch circle and most within an 8 inch circle.Even those I shot standing, shooting free hand.It was quite windy that day.Think I could do a little better on a calm day.
As to the shots.First shots were low.I put the rear sight up on the first notch and left it there for all the other shots.Really could not see much difference between the 17,18 or 19 grain loads at 50 yards.For what I could see, I seemed to get the best results with the 17 and 19 grain loads,but that could just be my shooting.:)What about yourself,what notch do you have your back sight on?
Yes ,the AR 15 shell catcher worked very well.Did not have to do any shell hunting.A fellow on the sight gave me the heads up on the shell catcher.It is made by Caldwell and is held on by Velcro,so it is easy to put on or take off.
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Post by blackbahart on Mar 23, 2017 6:07:35 GMT -5
nice ,your weather finally let you out to the range.Knew you would appreciate the catcher as it sure beats hunting for brass .Yes the felt recoil is a different feel and the report is different also as my neighbours tell me .
did you try the formed brass or just the jamison ?I found the marbles bullseye peep sight worked better for me and easier to repeat on target.I put them on all the ones I shoot often and put the original sight under the butt plate as not to loose them .
you may notice that the 19 grain load the primer will stay flush in the case and the 17 gr will be backing out a bit ,from my experience anyhow Glad to see you finally got her out before the new Bronson show aired
cheers Peter
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 23, 2017 7:42:40 GMT -5
Yes we had a break in the weather,but back down to -12 C this morning and the wind stays strong,making it seem a lot colder.Light dusting of snow overnight .Not sure when I will get out again.
Yes, the felt recoil is quite different.Not bad ,just different.I agree the report is different as well.Perhaps because of the 20 inch barrel?
Just had the Jamison brass.Brass was quite dirty on the outside after firing.Not sure why.Perhaps it is the same with all Model 07 rifles?
Did not notice the difference in the primers,but then again I did not look.Have the cases cleaned and deprimed.Hope to get the primers in them today and get the cases loaded.
Did notice the stock was a bit loose on the rifle.Will have to see about getting it tightened up.
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Post by bollweevil on Mar 23, 2017 19:23:40 GMT -5
Mine get pretty dirty too. Kinda like my 45 Long Colt loads with Unique!! I assume it may be partly due to load and partly due to blowback action. I have been shooting HK's for many years in several calibers, and they get sooty cases too, and are all blowback that I am referring to. They actually have a fluted chamber which "stripes" the case to the point that I do not reload them, especially if the brass is really soft. We are 81 F today. Went and shot a little this morning before wind got up. It was enjoyable.
I am running the rear sight on bottom notch also. Really want an receiver sight, but they are pricey. I have replaced my front sight with a new one while I was working on the rifle. Bought several different front sights but some did not fit tight in the dovetail (on sale at Midway at the time). I have some spares you can try, just let me know. they are all in the height range of the original. Right now I am using a Lyman front with gold bead, and it is set well, so I do not plan to change.
Take Care - Chris in Alabama
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 24, 2017 6:33:55 GMT -5
As you say the dirt could be caused by the system.Was looking at my rifle and I believe the last owner put a lot of oil on the action and the magazine.This could be part of the reason as well, that I was getting a lot of oily dirt on the empty cases.Do not know why the last owner did this.Perhaps he did not shoot the rifle and wanted to prevent it from rusting.Nova Scotia has a very damp climate.
-11 C here this morning.Suppose to get up to 0 C this afternoon.Seems to be staying a bit on the cold side,even for Nova Scotia standards, at this time of the year.
Loading up some 17 grain IMR 4227 to use at the range,the next time I get there.
Would think a Lyman gold bead sight would work very well with the Model 07 rifle.At present,because this rifle is in such good shape, I do not want to change any thing,but to keep it like it came from the factory.Been thinking I may try to get another one, in no so perfect shape ,to try different sights on and to save the condition of the other rifle.Thank you for your offer of sights.Will keep it in mind for the future.
I really like the idea of the Lyman gold bead sight.It should work great, with the rear sight on these rifles.
A peep sight is another good idea.Another fellow had told me the same thing.I suppose holes would have to be drilled for the use of a peep sight on these rifles?For myself, I just do not like the idea of taking an old rifle and drilling holes in it.
Nova Scotia,Canada
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