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Post by 28gauge on Feb 11, 2017 14:55:53 GMT -5
Just joined today.Picked up my first vintage self loader,a Model 07 Winchester, last Monday.Wanted one of these self loaders on and off since I was in my 20's.Those I saw for sale were in rough shape ,until I came across the rifle I have now.Look forward to shooting it when I get a chance.
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 12, 2017 13:51:54 GMT -5
Welcome. I'm also fairly new to the forum, but had been reading it for a while. You will enjoy the '07. If you don't already have it, Leonard Speckin has written a very good book on the 1907 with details for dissembling, inspection, and most importantly reassembling. Good loading information also. I currently have two that are late 1940's manufactured. Buffers and many other parts are available on Numrich, and new springs from Wolf Springs. Saw an early production rifle at the local show yesterday. It was decent but included a tang sight. They were asking $650. Welcome again!
Chris
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 12, 2017 17:33:07 GMT -5
Welcome. I'm also fairly new to the forum, but had been reading it for a while. You will enjoy the '07. If you don't already have it, Leonard Speckin has written a very good book on the 1907 with details for dissembling, inspection, and most importantly reassembling. Good loading information also. I currently have two that are late 1940's manufactured. Buffers and many other parts are available on Numrich, and new springs from Wolf Springs. Saw an early production rifle at the local show yesterday. It was decent but included a tang sight. They were asking $650. Welcome again! Chris Thank-you for the welcome.I have Mr.Speckin's book.Also just sent for the May 2003 issue of the American Rifleman,which has a good article on the Winchester self loading rifles,so I have been told.Been trying to get a copy of John Henwood's Winchester self loading rifle book,but no luck so far.Too bad the book could not be reprinted.
I live in Canada, so getting firearms ,ammunition or components out of the States has to go through certain U.S. channels.Been that way since restrictions were placed by the United States on what could be sent out of the country after 911.Before that,there was no problem,everything just came to my door.For some reason there are no restrictions on loading dies and the like out of the States.Can order these and they come right to my door,no problem.
Is the $650.00 a good price where you live for and 07 or is it a bit on the high side?
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 12, 2017 18:43:24 GMT -5
It is really high for the condition of this particular rifle, but the tang sight is probably good for $125, so not as bad as I have seen on Gunbroker for some. My last purchased one was $650, no tang sight, likely a prison gun, in great shape with no refinish work. I luckily found it on Cabela's gun library in Oregon. They shipped it here to a local store for $25 with no commitment.
I also have looked far and wide for Mr. Henwood's book. Good luck with your pursuit, I hope you find one reasonable. Mr. Speckin is a super fellow. The method using the 1/4" rod and capture nuts in his book is the way to go if you disassemble. It turned out that my buffer was fine in the latest rifle, but the operating rod was ever so slightly bent on the threaded portion of the rod. the rifle didn't cycle smoothly. I could feel some resistance. I replaced rod and spring and buffer since I had extra on hand, and it made a world of difference in the smoothness.
Not a whole lot of these rifles here in the south. From reading and talking to people, I believe they were much more popular as deer rifle's in the northern US and Canada. Although my grandfather left me a mint late model that I have never shot. He had one 1907 that was sold sometime before I was born that he carried and shot alot. Wish I knew where it went!! He also left me a Remington 81 in .35 that I also have not shot. I plan to shoot it soon though. Too much history to share with my children than to keep locked in a safe.
Chris in Alabama
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 12, 2017 20:18:40 GMT -5
Nice stories about your .351 rifles.I remember talking to an old fellow back in the 1980's who used a .351 deer hunting.I remember looking at the rifle.He told me that all the fellows who went to the deer camp he went to, used .351 rifles.The old fellow has passed on.Should have asked him about some .351 hunting stories and how the rifle performed on deer.Must of worked well ,as all those using the camp ,used the Model 07.
Too bad Mr.Henwood"s book is so had to find.I wonder if the local library could get a copy in to read.The next time I am on town and the library is open,I will ask.
I have a friend who has a .35 Remington Model 8 and a .300 Savage Model 81.They belonged to his Dad.Have fired the Model 81.
What are 50 round boxes of .351 shells going for in your area?
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 12, 2017 22:25:19 GMT -5
Usually about $100. Most are really old. (1950 or order) Mr. Speckin cautioned me about shooting them due to the brass being hard and separating a case.
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 13, 2017 9:01:03 GMT -5
Know a fellow who will sell me two 50 round boxes of 351 for $75.00 a box.So that does not sound too bad.Not sure of the date of manufacture or the maker.
Spoke to another fellow and he wanted $250.00 each for two 50 round 351 boxes.I believe one box was Peters and the other Dominion.
Terrible snow storm here.Started about 10:00 PM last night and is suppose to go all day today and into tonight.Plenty of work for me when it is over, shoveling the driveway and steps.It is a heavy wet snow as well.
Power was off for awhile last night,but was back on by daylight.Hope it continues to stay on.
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Post by rromeo on Feb 19, 2017 20:08:47 GMT -5
Midway has new production ammo for $28 for 20 rounds. $75 for 50 rounds isn't too bad.
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 20, 2017 14:54:31 GMT -5
The new production Jameson with the resized Speer 180 shoots really well in my rifle. I picked some up at J & G sales online for about $24 a box a few months ago. It averages about 1680 fps in my rifle which is well under older factory loads from Winchester and Remington, but a little above my charge of 4227. I wish I knew the powder they used. I pulled one down, but can't find where I wrote down the charge, but I think it was about 19 grains of a small spherical powder. Will look some more. Also, it seems that the primer pockets are a little tighter than the run of brass that I got from Jameson, so maybe a few more reloads on it.
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 20, 2017 17:55:18 GMT -5
Just want to be clear on this.Someone is loading 351 Jamison brass, with a resized 180 Speer bullet loaded with powder read to shoot.
The primer pockets seem to be a bit tighter.Perhaps they listened to your comments,ccraft and tightened them up a bit.
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 20, 2017 19:12:07 GMT -5
Yes. Jamison Brass and Ammunition is. Per the red and white box: ".351 self-loader 180 grain FP Legacy Grade Ammunition, 20 Cartridges, Velocity 1645, Energy 1080 ft/lbs." The flat point projectile is actually a pointed flat point Speer Hot Core that has been resized to .351". I actually had these prior to ordering my brass, so it is coincedental that the pockets are tighter. I hope that the next run of the .351 brass shows improvement. The CCI BR4 primers are working better than the Federal small rifle primers were. It is actually a pretty good deal for this caliber currently.
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 20, 2017 19:52:05 GMT -5
Trying Photo... chris
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 20, 2017 21:31:09 GMT -5
Cool.Nice to know, thanks for posting.
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