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Post by 28gauge on Feb 25, 2017 18:57:38 GMT -5
Now have the .351 SL dies,bullets,cases,primers and powder.The shell holder should be here next week and then I will be ready to go.:)Was at a gun show today and picked up two 50 round boxes of Winchester manufacture ,351 SL shells.That gives me 3,50 round Winchester manufacture .351 SL boxes as well as a 20 round box of Dominion manufacture .351 SL shells.
Just adding an edit to say I found a place in Canada that has the new loaded .351 Jamison shells listed.Not likely going to purchase any,but nice to know they are available.
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 26, 2017 19:21:59 GMT -5
Great. sounds like you are on your way to making ammo soon. I have been reworking some of the .360 DW brass this weekend. It is not too bad, but a little slow. I do not have access to a lathe, so I chuck the cases up in my cordless drill and run opposite direction against a large belt grinder with 400 grit belts. It takes about 15 seconds to reduce the rim about 20 thousandths. I have messed up a few cases along the way though (over ground them below spec.). I then cut a small extractor groove on the same belt grinder in another step while the brass is still chucked up. My father used to make custom knives so i have access to the large grinder which is variable speed. I do still have one more step to shorten the brass just a bit, which I do in a RCBS trimmer.
You will enjoy loading for the .351. It has been somewhat of a challenge to me due to brass variances, primer size, locating suitable powder, FL sizing issues, etc. I have been loading for about 28 years on a Dillon 550 that I got for an early high school graduation present. Dillon list no shellplate for the .351 so I ended up using one that fits 6.8 SPC, and .30 Remington, which had worked out great.
Please let me know If I can help you any!!!
Chris in Alabama
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Post by ageingstudent on Feb 27, 2017 0:23:15 GMT -5
Great. sounds like you are on your way to making ammo soon. I have been reworking some of the .360 DW brass this weekend. It is not too bad, but a little slow. I do not have access to a lathe, so I chuck the cases up in my cordless drill and run opposite direction against a large belt grinder with 400 grit belts. It takes about 15 seconds to reduce the rim about 20 thousandths. I have messed up a few cases along the way though (over ground them below spec.). I then cut a small extractor groove on the same belt grinder in another step while the brass is still chucked up. My father used to make custom knives so i have access to the large grinder which is variable speed. I do still have one more step to shorten the brass just a bit, which I do in a RCBS trimmer. You will enjoy loading for the .351. It has been somewhat of a challenge to me due to brass variances, primer size, locating suitable powder, FL sizing issues, etc. I have been loading for about 28 years on a Dillon 550 that I got for an early high school graduation present. Dillon list no shellplate for the .351 so I ended up using one that fits 6.8 SPC, and .30 Remington, which had worked out great. Please let me know If I can help you any!!! Chris in Alabama Hey that 360DW brass looks pretty good. I wish some of that had been around when I was starting this shindig. I found some Starline .357mag and it turns nice on the lathe. The .357mag brass works really well, you just can't fit a max charge of 4227 in a 357 case I don't think. I don't think you could get much more than 16 grains to fit. I'm thinking 16 would be about the limit of compression in that case.
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 27, 2017 7:36:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments fellows.
Chris,you spoke of full length sizing problems .Just wondering what they might be?I will be using Jamison brass ,any troubles other than the primer hole size using them?
Looks like we will be having two gun shows in April.One in Waverley(just outside of Halifax)in early April and a new one ,in the process of being put together for the middle of April, in Yarmouth(southern end of the Province)
Nova Scotia,Canada
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 27, 2017 17:01:55 GMT -5
My issue was that my Redding sizing die was a little too tight on the FIRED cases. I was really having a hard time running only fired cases through my die without sticking or galling the brass. I ended up sending my sizing die back to Redding with 5 spent cartridges from my rifle, and they opened the die up a few thousandths. I do believe the problem was two fold. Old rifles like these can have a little too much oversized chamber, and the Redding dies are really produced for a tighter tolerance. I later learned that some others who had purchased the Redding dies for the .351 had to send them back for reworking. It all came out in the wash though!
I do like the 360 DW brass that Starline makes. It is a bit heavier than my Jameson. I have went to Imperial Case Lube on all of my .351 sizing. I tried Forester, Dillon, and Hornady, but came back to the Imperial.
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 27, 2017 21:05:33 GMT -5
Okay thanks for that.I will be using RCBS .351 SL dies, so hopefully I will not have that problem.The only case lube I have is Lyman.
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Post by ageingstudent on Feb 27, 2017 21:21:47 GMT -5
Okay thanks for that.I will be using RCBS .351 SL dies, so hopefully I will not have that problem.The only case lube I have is Lyman. I actually didn't have to buy.351 dies. I used a .357 sizer to full size the case and then a .380acp sizer to tension the neck just down to where the bullet seats. The cases seem to fit just right. I have a set of Redding .401 dies they work very well for the 1910. I was thinking about getting a set for the 1907 but the way I'm doing it now works so well I hate to spend the money.
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Post by bollweevil on Feb 27, 2017 22:54:35 GMT -5
At the time, I didn't have any other dies that I could use for the .351, but have heard of others using the .357 dies. That was a good idea to try. I notice your Frankfort tumbler in the picture ageingstudent. I really enjoy mine with the SS pins. It is so nice to clean brass, primer pockets, and flash holes in one trip. Especially without all of the corn cob dust!!!
I'm running 17.0 of 4227 right now with the 180 grain projectiles so I would likely have problems with the .357 brass. I have noticed when I have used the 2400 powder previously with 17+ grains, I was getting tightly compressed loads when seating my bullets. The 180 Hawk's wanted to slightly deform near the nose. I am using a Lee factory crimp die on my loads. Lee actually had one in stock on sale for the .351 when I was searching, so I went ahead and got it. I really don't know if it is worth while, but I had an extra spot for it in my tool head and it wasn't but one more pull of the handle to run a case through. If it keeps pressures consistent, it is worth the extra effort I guess.
Have a good day guys!
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Post by 28gauge on Feb 28, 2017 10:27:41 GMT -5
Interesting comments.Always good to read and learn more about the Winchester Self Loading rifles.Still waiting for my .351 shell holder to arrive.Hoping to have it by the end of the week.
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Post by ageingstudent on Feb 28, 2017 23:16:35 GMT -5
Interesting comments.Always good to read and learn more about the Winchester Self Loading rifles.Still waiting for my .351 shell holder to arrive.Hoping to have it by the end of the week. It's hard to wait isn't it? I've really enjoyed getting a couple of old self loaders running again. They're a real magnent at the gun club I go to. Folks are always asking me what I'm shooting. Thankfully I've got affordable ammo so I let some of the youngsters and their parents shoot it too. The more they enjoy it the more I enjoy it.
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 1, 2017 11:19:25 GMT -5
Yes, it is a bit hard waiting for an item to arrive.Want to get started loading for the 351 ASAP.Hopefully by the end of the week.Just need the shell holder to arrive. Always nice to look at others firearms at the range and get a chance to shoot them and they yours.:)I can well understand an old Winchester Self Loader, getting some starts at the range.
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Post by rromeo on Mar 4, 2017 18:29:16 GMT -5
I think the shellholder I got was for a .40 S&W
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Post by ilikeoldguns on Mar 5, 2017 14:41:42 GMT -5
Now have the .351 SL dies,bullets,cases,primers and powder.The shell holder should be here next week and then I will be ready to go.:)Was at a gun show today and picked up two 50 round boxes of Winchester manufacture ,351 SL shells.That gives me 3,50 round Winchester manufacture .351 SL boxes as well as a 20 round box of Dominion manufacture .351 SL shells.
Just adding an edit to say I found a place in Canada that has the new loaded .351 Jamison shells listed.Not likely going to purchase any,but nice to know they are available. Fellow Canadian here. I'd be interested to know where you can find loaded .351s and where you found the brass?
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 5, 2017 15:49:21 GMT -5
The loaded .351 WSL cartridges are listed on The Bullet Barn site at $43.50 Canadian for 20.They also have cast 351 bullets listed,but the bullets are quite pricey.They have 351 Berturm brass listed ,but it is quite pricey as well.
X reload has Jamison brass and bullets listed ,but they are not in stock all the time.My bullets came from there and also from a very kind fellow member of this site.
The 351 Jamison brass I purchased came from Raynershine Gun works in Sask.He has bullets on order .He still had some 351 brass left the last time I spoke with him on the telephone.Very nice fellow to deal with.Always seems to have time for a little idle chit chat when ordering.Have purchased different hard to find items from him in the past.
Where in the Dominion are you located?what do you have for old self loading rifles?
Nova Scotia,Canada
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Post by 28gauge on Mar 9, 2017 9:39:37 GMT -5
Well, loaded up 21 .351 cartridges this morning.10 using 18 grains of IMR 4227 and 11 using 19 grains of IMR 4227.Now just have to get good weather and a chance to go to the range and see how they do.
By the way Chris, I did notice the Winchester Small Rifle Primers did go very easy into the .351 Jamison brass.Too easy ,for a first load on new brass in my opinion.Just wondering how your loads have worked out using the larger primers?
Nova Scotia,Canada
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