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Post by oldshooter on Apr 1, 2009 20:53:15 GMT -5
Last month I bought a 1905 in .32 and a 1910 from a friend who is downsizing his collection. I ordered two boxes of loaded ammunition for the .32 from Old Western Scrounger and two boxes of .410 from Buffalo Arms. The 1910 shoots well, and actually groups fairly well at 100 yds, about as far as I'll shoot it.
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Post by oldshooter on Apr 1, 2009 21:06:09 GMT -5
I clicked the wrong tab and posted before finishing. The .32 with OWS ammunition didn't work worth a flip. It either failed to feed, failed to extract, or failed to cycle far enough to thingy the hammer. The rifle is in excellent condition, looks and seem to work perfectly, so I tried a box of Buffalo Arms loaded ammunition, 170 grain Hornady, apparently the same bullet they use for the .32 Win. Special. A vast improvement, but the rifle still has feeding problems when the magazine is fully loaded. When cycling from a fully loaded magazine the top cartridge in the magazine dips down when the cartridge rim is contacted by the bolt, catches on the front of the reciever, and doesn't quite reach the polished feed ramp at the bottom edge of the chamber. Result, a nasty jam. Has anyone else had this problem?
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Post by rmh on Apr 2, 2009 11:32:35 GMT -5
Is this the bullet, .321" 170 gr. Hornady Interlock? Probably need a loading with something more round-nosed. Be sure to post a comment on BuffaloArms.com so they'll have some feedback.
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Post by oldshooter on Apr 2, 2009 13:50:48 GMT -5
Yes, that's the Hornady bullet loaded by Buffalo Arms in .32 wsl. A solution might be the new Hornady Leverevolution bullet for .32 Win. Special. The plastic point might guide the cartridge into the chamber. The 180 grain cast lead bullet loaded by OWS is more round nosed, but jams the same way, when it cycles at all.
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Post by oldshooter on Apr 6, 2009 9:33:29 GMT -5
Thanks again, rmh. The OWS and Buffalo Arms loaded cartridges have an overall length that looks shorter than the original in your photo. They are about a quarter inch shorter than the front to back space in the magazine, and perhaps this allows the loaded cartridges to pivot downward when pushed forward by the edge of the bolt.
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Post by rmh on Apr 6, 2009 15:21:23 GMT -5
In case you don't have these specs- the overall loaded length should be 1.88"; case length should be 1.24"
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Post by keng on Apr 14, 2009 23:57:48 GMT -5
I use the Speer .321 Flat nose 170 grain bullet. No problems on my end, but I do believe the Speer bullet is a little less of a "Flat nose" than the Hornady. It will stay on the paper out to 100 yards.
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Post by rmh on Apr 15, 2009 16:38:06 GMT -5
Speer .321" 32 Special Flat Nose SP. Townsend Whelen in "The American Rifle" suggested Lyman 321298 as a cast bullet loading and thought accuracy was quite good out to 150 yards.
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Post by oldshooter on Apr 16, 2009 8:38:47 GMT -5
Yes, I got my copy of 'American Rifle.' Whelen says the 1905 in .32 is really good for one thing, rapid fire match shooting. The trigger on his must have been better than the trigger on mine. Thanks for the bullet reccomendations, the Speer really looks best. I'm waiting for Hornady's flextip in .32 and will have a box loaded in new cases. The loaded cartridge legnth of the OWS and Buffalo are almost 1/4" less than the factory spec. Maube that causing the failures to feed.
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Post by winchesterfan on May 22, 2010 1:09:16 GMT -5
Man am I glad I found this forum!
I am resurrecting my father's Winchester 1905 .32 WSL and experienced the same clip feed troubles with the Buffalo rounds.
I am grateful for the posts on this thread; I am about to start reloading for this old rifle and the information so far will be very helpful. The cartridge length will improve accuracy and hopefully prevent the loading issues from the clip.
If anyone else is reloading these unique rounds and would like to share data, I would be eternally grateful.
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Post by oldshooter on Jul 24, 2010 12:55:18 GMT -5
I'm cheered to learn that someone else has had feeding problems with the Buffalo Arms ammunition. Maybe it's for the best. If the rifle functioned perfectly I might be tempted to shoot something with the poor, underpowered thing.
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Post by wsl49er on Jul 26, 2010 14:51:20 GMT -5
Jamming and stove-piping can come from a number of things. You should check your rounds for all measurements, bullet weight, finish of brass (burrs or sharp edges) and load. Unload a shell and measure the powder weight. You should also look at the extractor groove to make sure it is deep enough with the right angle and clearance in front of the rim. You should also check your magazine and make sure it's lubricated and the top magazine ears are not rough on their underside. Check your extractor for wear and if you can measure depth of extractor and equate it to the shell's extractor groove you have. I have a 1907 and had stove-piping due to a sharp leading edge on a shell rim and in a couple of cases jamming due to low loads on some handloads. If the undersides of the magazine ears are rough, slightly smooth with some fine Scotchbrite or 4/0 steel wool and a little light oil. Make sure your extractor spring is working properly.
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Post by blackdog on Dec 17, 2010 19:33:30 GMT -5
It's probably not a good idea but I run some 30 cal carbine through my '05 and it functioned great. But at40 yds it was about 6" group.
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Post by oldshooter on Jun 6, 2012 14:13:08 GMT -5
I just got a couple of boxes of .32 WSL loaded by Buffalo Arms, they'd been on back order for a while. The problem with jamming when loading a full magazine has been on my mind for a while. A magazine loaded with only one or two rounds would work fine, but loaded with three or four the first round would hang up on the face of the barrel, just below the loading ramp cut into the lower edge of the chamber. A sharper nose bullet would have worked fine, but all the current .32 cal rifle bullets are meant for the tubular magazine .32 Win. Special. To make a long story short, I realized that I could polish and enlarge the feeding ramp cut so the flat nosed bullets wouldn't hang up on the barrel face. Used a section of gutter spike wrapped with emery paper chucked up in a power drill. The first round in a full magazine chambered fine, so I took it down in the pasture and shot at a target. It worked fine, full magazine, rapid fire, no problems at all. It's always a surprise when something works out right.
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